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Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 16:39:00 - [1] Originally by: Ishina Fel For me, this crosses the line between playing the game and abusing the game. every character logged in belongs to a paid account. So if I decide to train an alt for that and having it logged in all the time, so its my (legal!) choice.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 16:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Party Scout Originally by: Robert Caldera Originally by: Ishina Fel For me, this crosses the line between playing the game and abusing the game. every character logged in belongs to a paid account. So if I decide to train an alt for that and having it logged in all the time, so its my (legal!) choice. What? no one here is suggesting options to log you off or anything like that. If you want to stay logged in 23/7, that fine, your choice, and perfectly valid. Did you even read the OP? yes, he wants an anti-cloaker device, which would unclock you. f*ck off with that ideas.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 16:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 15/07/2010 16:52:12 this is the cloak is for. For preventing being forced to do something.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 17:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Party Scout No, that's what you log out for. no. You misunderstood the point of that. Logoff is when I want to leave hostiles alone. Going afk is keeping them busy while you're afk. Originally by: Party Scout If you log in the game, then you are there to play. just being there is playing too. Like skilling. You like getting SP even afk or logged off, dont you? Even if you dont "play"? Originally by: Party Scout Accept the consequences. This is EVE, hardcore PVP game extraordinaire, but all I see are people running from that and finding ways to grief from complete safety. like docking, sitting in a POS.. or... CLOAKING. Originally by: Party Scout Awesome... yes, it is. Originally by: Party Scout But that is not EVE. sure it is. Doing it all the time.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 17:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Party Scout Docked, you are no threat at all, and you can AFK all you want. you mean afking in full safety is all right suddenly if you're no threat for anyone? lol. Now we re coming closer to whats really the matter and search for justifications why afking is ok. Originally by: Party Scout In a POS, I can take your house down if I really want to (and have the resources) so AFK away... At your own risk... So bad comparison. no its not. The fact you have the sov in a system does not mean its exclusively yours. A usual carebear attitude. I can be in "your" system as long as I like to and you got exactly the point, for locking down your activities. Its a legal mechanic and its even makes sense. If that would not be that way, 0.0 space would be safer than empire. Originally by: Party Scout Undocked, you are a threat. Just like I'm a threat. Yet I cannot combat that threat. yes, its all right that way. Cloakers search their targets, not the other way around. Originally by: Party Scout Kinda one sided eh? You are a threat to me, I want to be a threat to you. Fair and square. It seems you do not want to play that though. you want, but you wont.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 18:32:00 - [6] Originally by: suspisious How does this rule apply to (afk) cloakers? cloakers make it harsh.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 19:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Party Scout They make it harsh but want it safe. they make it harsh, BECAUSE they're safe until they drop their cloak. Otherwise you would just camp/blob them out of "your" space continueing your carebear business without any fears.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 19:31:00 - [8] afking cloaked is fine.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.15 20:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Sigras remember that everything in Eve has a counter. . . Or should. its not true, local is not counterable for example, as other game states/events as well. Sitting in a station is not counterable for a single cloaker. Sitting in a POS is not really counterable for a single cloaker.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.17 16:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Concubinia Scarlett Thoughts? sucks

Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.20 09:40:00 - [11] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 20/07/2010 09:47:59 Originally by: Rahnim The cloaking pilot will lose nothing as long as he isnt afk at the keyboard for long periods of time. He can just log out if he isnt there... I can only repeat myself here. If afk cloaking would not be possible, there would be absolutely no threats anymore to 0.0 bears thanks to local and the knowledge of a person not being afk on top. They would either hunt/blob/camp him until he leaves (you cant hunt a person which is afk) or just do nothing and bore him to death. Everyone, who does not want the 0.0 being a fully safe ISK farming area, cant be against afk cloaking. Afk cloaking is the ONLY way to avoid the local as intel tool which says who's there and its bad enough because it requires a fully paid account for an alt sitting somewhere all the time doing nothing most of the time, just for killing one who instantly hides on local +1. Either nerf the fu*king local (delayed or whatever) or keep afk cloaking, anything else would suck.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.20 13:14:00 - [12] Originally by: taque also, removing local won't change anything much for afk cloakers. but perhaps players will be way more carefull and aware of the risks being in low sec or null sec. ofc it would change something. Afk cloakers on purpose of the afking itself are doing this merely in order to overcome the local presence as usable intel for potential targets. If there is no local, no afk cloaking would be required to achieve that goals. Nervertheless you're right in regards of player behavior impact in case of local removal but its a different issue apart of afk cloaking, I dont even ask for its removal but a nerf at least like delayed local by 15-20 seconds or something similar.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2010.07.21 08:37:00 - [13] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 21/07/2010 08:38:01 Originally by: suspisious Except cloakers. How come everytime the harsh/hostile argument is used, it is only applied to one side? sigh the same question every page of thread.. The fact you cant force cloakers to fight does not mean they are invulnerable. As they make a move, even if its just jumping through a gate, you can kill him. Cloakers shoud not be huntable because of http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1353430&page=4#116

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